minka Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Pozivam vas, da v tale forum postate kakšne zanimive raziskave s področja dovoljenih in prepovedanih drog. Prosim vas, da se ob opisu raziskave držite sledečih smernic: 1) Naslov članka 2) Avtorji 3) Vir članka 4) Kratek povzetek in link na izvorni članek 5) Če se vam da, prevod povzetka v slovenščino Namen mojega poziva je, da ostajamo kar se da na tekočem z najnovejšimi dognanji s področja drog in, da odpremo polje za diskusijo na malce bolj strokovni ravni. Quote Link to comment
notsetyet Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 js mam filing, da se ne dogaja kaj dosti na tem področju sploh. folk je prespilu cel pikhal, drugač pa ni interesa za raziskave, ki niso glih čist v wod fazonu Quote Link to comment
minka Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Saj lahko tudi WOD raziskave. Bomo imeli vsaj manevrski prostor za debatiranje Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Legalizacija marihuane bi koristila okolju Quote Link to comment
copic Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Pozivam vas, da v tale forum postate kakšne zanimive raziskave s področja dovoljenih in prepovedanih drog. Prosim vas, da se ob opisu raziskave držite sledečih smernic: 1) Naslov članka 2) Avtorji 3) Vir članka 4) Kratek povzetek in link na izvorni članek 5) Če se vam da, prevod povzetka v slovenščino Namen mojega poziva je, da ostajamo kar se da na tekočem z najnovejšimi dognanji s področja drog in, da odpremo polje za diskusijo na malce bolj strokovni ravni. Odzivi na novo raziskavo Raziskava COHORT razdvojila strokovno javnost Dnevnik.si je poročal o novi britanski raziskavi, ki je pokazala “da otroci z visokim inteligenčnim kvocientom z večjo verjetnostjo posegajo po mamilih, ko odrastejo, kot ljudje, ki so na testih v otroštvu dosegli nižje rezultate.” Raziskava Cohort, ki od leta 1970 spremlja več tisoč ljudi tako “zavrača vso pametovanje staršev in učiteljev, da inteligentni ljudje ne jemljejo mamil,” je poudaril vodja raziskave James White, ki na projektu dela že od izključitve s srednje šole zaradi posesti nedovoljenih substanc. Vse anketirance so preverjali pri njihovih 5, 10 in 16 letih, pri tridesetih pa jih prvič vprašali, če so uživali droge, kot so marihuana, kokain in heroin. http://www.priloga.si/?p=96 Quote Link to comment
alien Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) http://www.maps.org/...98_morgan_1.pdf ''ali uporaba mdmaja vpliva na spomin'' ~60 ljudi, 1/3 rekreativnih uporabnikov mdmaja, 1/3 uporabnikov drog, ki niso mdma, 1/3 takih ki samo pijejo alkohol in kadijo čike 3 skupine ljudi so zato da so lahko primerjal rezultate s tistimi ki se ne drogirajo in s tistimi ki se drogirajo ampak ne z mdmajem testiral so jih tako da so jim npr predvajal posnetke in so potem moral čim več napisat kar je blo v posnetku in še ene par stvari rezultati: dlje kot je minilo od uporabe ekstazija, boljši spomin so imeli zelo na kratko Edited May 9, 2012 by alien Quote Link to comment
krenk Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 pri enem modeliranju mi je prisel pod roke zanimiv clanek, na kratko, gre za dvojne diagnoze po domače povezave med "klasicnimi" dusevnim boleznimi in stanji induciranimi s PAS, in sicer za uporabo kanabisa: če res res reees na krako povzamem: osebe s psihozami v osnovi pogosteje posegajo po marihuani v primerjavi s splošno populacijo. in se: ena prvih vecjih podobnih raziskav, ki je bila narejena na svedskem konec 80 in je pokazala da intenzivno uzivanje marihuane za 6x poveca tveganje za razvoj shizofrenije. originalnega clanka ne morem prilepit, ker nimam dovoljenja avtorjev, tukej spodej je pa ta svedski clanek. upam da anglescina ne bo problem http://ukcia.org/research/EnvironmentAndSchizophrenia.pdf Quote Link to comment
technolog Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) MDMA se je izkazal kot potencialno zelo uspešno zdravilo pri zdravljenju post-traumatske stresne motnje (PTSD). Mogoče se v prihodnosti končno obeta dan, ko bodo ljudje z recepti v lekarni dobili "taprave" tablete. MDMA keeps severe stress at bay Prolonged relief reported from drug-enhanced therapy sessions. The benefits of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for people with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) persist years after the first treatment with the drug (also known as ecstasy), according to a follow-up study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology. The finding gives hope to people with PTSD who do not respond to conventional treatments. However, the results come from a small-scale pilot study, and the outcomes have not been so convincing in other recently published work. In the original trial, 20 patients with PTSD who had not responded to either psychotherapy or to conventional psychopharmacological drugs received MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine) or a placebo during two eight-hour psychotherapy sessions. The results showed a spectacular 83% response rate in the MDMA group, compared with 25% in the placebo group. A response was defined as a greater than 30% reduction in a standard measure of symptom severity, the clinician-administered PTSD scale (CAPS) (see 'Illegal drug shows promise in treating trauma symptoms'). The researchers think that MDMA decreases levels of fear and defensiveness and increases trust between patient and practitioner when used in a clinical setting. This follow-up study of the same participants four years later showed that two participants had relapsed, but that on average the improvements in symptoms was maintained. No one reported ill effects from taking part in the study. Rick Doblin, an author of the study and founder and executive director the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies in Santa Cruz, California, which funded the work, says that the results are the most significant step yet towards the association's goal of making MDMA a prescription medicine. “We've now shown that the results from the initial study were not some transitory and superficial psychedelic afterglow but were profound and lasting.” David Nutt, a neuropsychopharmacologist from Imperial College London is also interested in the use of other prohibited drugs, such as psilocybin — the active ingredient in magic mushrooms — to treat depression. He says that it looks as though MDMA has enduring beneficial effects and no adverse effects. “However, rolling it out as a treatment will not be easy given the illegal status, so this will need to be changed,” he says. But not everyone is so impressed. Jennifer Wild, a consultant clinical psychiatrist at King's College London, says that the small sample size means that the placebo effect cannot be ruled out. She also notes that eight of the participants were still in psychotherapy, and 12 were taking psychiatric medicines. “That's quite a lot in my opinion,” she says. “Ordinarily when people recover they don't have further treatment.” This suggests it could be the continuing treatment that has caused the improvement. Michael Mithoefer, a private-practice psychiatrist based in South Carolina and leader of the study, says that it is a stretch to think that continued therapy is responsible for the lasting improvement. “These previously treatment-resistant people had an average duration of 19.5 years of PTSD before enrolling in the study,” he says. “The fact that it did have statistically significant results even with this small sample size is very encouraging, but larger studies are clearly needed to see if these results are reproducible.” The follow-up study is one of a number of small-scale studies looking at MDMA and other psychedelic drugs. In data published last month, clinical investigator Peter Oehen in Biberist, Switzerland, and Ulrich Schnyder, former president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies in Deerfield, Illinois, describe clinically (but not statistically) significant decreases in PTSD symptoms for 12 people after MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in Switzerland. Avtorji: Michael C Mithoefer Mark T Wagner Ann T Mithoefer Lisa Jerome Scott F Martin Berra Yazar-Klosinski Yvonne Michel Timothy D Brewerton Rick Doblin http://www.nature.co...-at-bay-1.11864 http://jop.sagepub.c...269881112456611 Edited November 22, 2012 by technolog Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Why It's So Hard For Scientists To Study Medical Marijuana Regarding the current situation surrounding medical marijuana research, Professor Lyle Craker explains, "If you’re going to run a trial to show this is going to have positive effects, they’re essentially not going to allow it." Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) In ob vsem tem se sprašujem o inteligenci in verodostojnosti znanstvenikov, ki lansirajo tovrstne študije.. jim zmanjka pri hermenevtiki. http://www.madelinemeier.com/ http://fds.duke.edu/.../madeline.meier pošlji ji email, da se ne strinjaš z njenimi ugotovitvami in argumentiraj. E-mail: madeline.meier@duke.edu Clinical psychologist Madeline Meier at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, and her colleagues used data from the famous Dunedin Longitudinal Study, an ongoing multi-factor survey involving a cohort of 1,037 New Zealanders followed from birth, which now has 40 years worth of data. Participants in the Dunedin Study had been periodically tested for IQ and other neuropsychological indices as well as being asked about behaviour such as drug-taking. The study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on Monday1. http://www.nature.co...bis-use-1.11278 Edited June 7, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Kratek povzetek, k razloži pr kerih letih so jim delal razne teste: http://www.pnas.org/...nt/109/40/E2657 full text http://www.pnas.org/...9/40/E2657.full PDF http://www.pnas.org/...7.full.pdf+html __________________________ Osebno mislm, da ni take sile. Hašišarji pri 38 letih izgubijo 8 I.Q. točk, ljudje, ki ne uživajo marihuane ali njenih derivatov pridobijo 1 I.Q. točko Se ni za sekirat Če se pa že, si pa enga zmotej, pa se ne boš več... Edited June 7, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
watcher Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) pošlji ji email, da se ne strinjaš z njenimi ugotovitvami in argumentiraj. E-mail: madeline.meier@duke.edu Model, jz sem len zapohanc, a misliš, da se mi ljubi pisat neki xy ženski o njeni študiji? Sem preveč busy with my mary jane, poslušanjem muske in gledanjem filmov, da se v kompulzivno praznenje hladilnika sploh ne spuščam... JAGODE!!!! Edited June 7, 2013 by watcher Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Dober tek! Dokler ne bo dokazano drugače, je ta obsežna raziskava vir kredibilnih podatkov o marihuani. Kdor se bo lotu dokazovat nasprotno, bo rabu najmanj 40 let. Osebno težko razumem hašišarsko mentaliteto v smislu, da odreagirate užaljeno, ko nekdo argumentirano predstavi negativne lastnosti marihuane. Očitno je v nekaterih glavah to res čudežna 'sveta zel', ki zdravi in nima negativnih lastnosti. Ne jemlji osebno, govorim na splošno. Quote Link to comment
watcher Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Dokler ne bo dokazano drugače, je ta obsežna raziskava vir kredibilnih podatkov o marihuani. Kdor se bo lotu dokazovat nasprotno, bo rabu najmanj 40 let. Mah ja.. sem prepričana, da ima zadeva svoje strokovne kritike in da je tole LE ena raziskava več.... Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) Mah ja.. sem prepričana, da ima zadeva svoje strokovne kritike in da je tole LE ena raziskava več.... Ma ja, preber si. Stroka je zaskrblejna, ker vedno več raziskav dokazuje razne negativne zdravstvene posledice kajenja marihuane. Ignorantski uporabniki marihuane pa najvrjetneje smatrajajo to obsežno študijo (in vse druge, ki ugotavljajo negativno) kot teorijo zarote proti marihuani. Tko k Bogokletstvo je to za nekatere vrjetn 'Travakletstvo'... Marihuana je postala religija P.S.: v prvem postu sm namerno omenu MAPS (Rick Doblin) http://www.maps.org/about/staff/ To so visoko cenjeni ljudje, ki delajo dobro v korist izkoriščanja trenutno nelagalnih drog v zdravstvene namene (meddrugim tudi v psihoterapevtske) Rick Doblin je 2001 naredu doktorsko dizertacijo: Regulation of the Medical Use of Psychedelics and Marijuana http://www.maps.org/dissertation/ Edited June 8, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) http://www.maps.org/about/support/#mmj Lahko doniraš k njihovim raziskavam glede 'medicinske marihuane' Zadnja: MAPS is seeking to develop whole-plant marijuana into an FDA-approved prescription medicine. The FDA has approved a MAPS-sponsored protocol for evaluating the safety and effectiveness of five strains of smoked or vaporized marijuana for PTSD in 50 U.S. veterans suffering from chronic, treatment-resistant PTSD. http://www.maps.org/research/mmj/ MAPS is the only organization working to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of botanical marijuana as a prescription medicine for specific medical uses to the satisfaction of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Our efforts to initiate medical marijuana research have been hindered by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) since our founding in 1986. NIDA's monopoly on the supply of marijuana for research and the DEA's refusal to allow researchers to grow their own has paralyzed medical marijuana research, and for over 12 years MAPS has been involved in legal struggles against the DEA to end this situation. ________ Ostala oz. glavna področja so še: MDMA, LSD, Ibogain _____________________________________ Ne vem... a je treba še kej dodat? ______________________________ Tebe bo sigurn zanimala tale (spet, najdu sm jo pr R.Doblin.): http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/study-why-pot-smokers-are-skinnier/275846/ Study: Why Pot Smokers Are Skinnier http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/medical_marijuana_obesity.php Medical Marijuana: Can Weed Treat Obesity? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20102773-10391704.html Marijuana Makes You Skinny?! Edited June 8, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 certain compounds in cannabis might help people lose weight, and could serve as an area of future research.Super. komej čakam, da začnejo raziskovat to področje. Should folks trying to lose weight consider picking up a bong instead of a barbell? “As an addiction psychiatrist, I see every day people struggling with cannabis dependence,” Le Strat told Fox News. “I would not recommend smoking cannabis for any reason.” Quote Link to comment
watcher Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) Bo že vsak sam presodil. Al je fora v tem, da poneumljeni travopohači ne premorejo inteligenčne kapicitete, da bi lahko razsojali o samem sebi? In logično, da so sedaj lansirali to študijo, saj marihuano legalizirajo v ZDA. Kakšen udarec vsem tistim strokovnjakom, ki so zgradili svoje kariere na domnevni škodljivosti marihuane. Vsa ta leta, toliko dela in odrekanja... pol pa kr tkole, po joint v lekarno. OUCH! Edited June 8, 2013 by watcher Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) In logično, da so sedaj lansirali to študijo, saj marihuano legalizirajo v ZDA. ....po joint v lekarno. Začel so pred 40 leti... tko da nima veze z današno 'medicinsko marihuano' v ZDA. Takrat se jim najvrjetneje še ni sanjalo o tem. 'medicinska' marihuana je še vedno huda polemika, saj prihaja do hudih zlorab. Recept dobi vsak, ki zato plača (korupcija), skor vsak k jamra da ga boli križ in mu takoj napopajo, da ma kronične bolečine v križu (če zato plača seveda). Tam kjer je 'medicinska' marihuana legalna npr. že 10 + let, ukinjajo lekarne, jih umikajo iz gostih naselij ipd.. Zakaj? Zato, ker so se v 10 letih naučil, da to ni to, kar so hotl. Drug nesmisu k ga ufuravate SLO hašišarji je ta, da v SLO redko kdo kadi/inhalira zgolj marihuano (brez tobaka) z vodno pipo ali vaporizerjem (kar je edino 'zdravo'). SLO hašišarji se zadevate in ne kadite, ker mate npr. neko bolezen, s katero naj bi z uživanjem marihuane blažil simptome. + medicinska marihuana ima zelo stroga merila kakovosti. + merila glede vsebnosti THC in CBD V SLO ni meril glede kakovosti... lahko vdihavate razne zdravju škodljive plesni, ki so v vaših omiljenih vršacih, poleg vseh drugih nebodigatrebastvari... Navsezadnje pa zadnje študije ugotavljajo, da je v marihuani najvrjetneje zdravilen CBD (ki ni psihoaktiven) in ne THC oz. naj bi bla to kombinacija CBD + THC, ki ni psihoaktivna. _____________________ v ZDA so tok prtegneni, da so ustanovil cerkev za pothede: http://theunitedcannabisministry.org/about/beliefs.html The United Cannabis Ministry is a non-denominational church. Our main goals are to help each other, enlighten the people, and heal the world. Our main belief is that cannabis is sacrament and helps us reach and comunicate with our higher power or to connect with our spiritual side. We believe that freedom of religion is a fundamental right of every human and is protected by the first Amendment of the United States Constitution. Njihov Bog je trava... OUCH! _______________________ + Povej mi enga travopohača, ki niti enkrat v življenju ni pomislu, da bi blo mogoče dobr opustit kajenje marihuane. Zakaj? Zakaj 99% travopohačev vsaj enkrat v življenju pomisli na to opcijo? Vrjetno si tudi ti že kdaj razmišljala v tej smeri. Bo že vsak sam presodil. Al je fora v tem, da poneumljeni travopohači ne premorejo inteligenčne kapicitete, da bi lahko razsojali o samem sebi? Najstniki ne premorejo te kapacitete, zato jih je potrebno primerno poučit, še preden začnejo kadit. Mislm, da sm že najmanj 100x na tem forumu omenu psihiatrijo vs. najstništvo vs. kajenje marihuane. Če bi vidl kolk mladeži pristane v psihiatričnih bolnicah, bi mogoče razmišljal drugače. Ne trdim, da je edini razlog za razne psihoze zgolj marihuana, je pa velik faktor pri nastanku le teh. Je eden izmed glavnih trigerjev. Zadeva je seveda individualna, nekateri pohendlajo obdobje odraščanja z marihuano brez kakih večjih posebnosti, nekateri pač ne. Kdor je kompatibiln z marihuano, lahko živi celo življenje brez kakih večjih posebnosti, dejstvo pa je, da za takega človeka drži večino hašišarskih stereotipov (jih ne bom našteval, ker so vsem predobro znani). Edited June 8, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 saj marihuano legalizirajo v ZDA Edina država na svetu, kjer je marihuana popolnoma legalna, je S. Korea. Vrjetn so tud oni delal kake študije in bi jih blo zanimivo brat, če bi se dokopal do njih. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country The growth, sale and consumption of cannabis is not regulated by the North Korean government or classified as a drug http://www.vice.com/read/north-korea-is-stoned-all-the-time-which-explains-a-lot It is reported to be especially popular amongst young soldiers in the North Korean military. Rather than getting hooked on tar and nicotine like servicemen in the West, they are able to unwind by lighting up a king-sized bone during down time on the military beat. The reasons for smoking weed in North Korea differ from America. In North Korea, you don’t smoke just to get high and laugh at your own hand, you do it to save money and as a break from the ubiquitous cheap local cigarettes. In the black markets of North Korea, marijuana is commonly sold at a cheap price and is easily obtainable. Therefore, the drug is especially popular among the lower classes of North Korean society. After a day of hard manual labor, it is common for North Korean workers to smoke marijuana as a way to relax and soothe tight or sore muscles. ______ To je ena laična razlaga. ______ Mogoče ma kdo voljo mal bolj raziskat to zadevo... Osebno sem prepričan, da je v S. Koreji trava legalna iz nekega razloga Quote Link to comment
watcher Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Veš kaj mene bolj zanima koker tole o beavis and butthead pot smokerjih... Zanima me koliko raziskav je bilo opravljenih na temo prikritega sadizma in splošnega ljudomrzništva med psihiatri, njihovimi sestrami in drugim osebjem? Psihatrija, zgodovinsko, je približno toliko spoštovana stroka kot CIA, policija, Wall Street, katoliki za dobrobit osirotelih dečkov, muslimani za pravice žensk in drugo. Edited June 9, 2013 by watcher Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Zanima me koliko raziskav je bilo opravljenih na temo prikritega sadizma in splošnega ljudomrzništva med psihiatri, njihovimi sestrami in drugim osebjem? Psihatrija, zgodovinsko, je približno toliko spoštovana stroka kot CIA... Ta raziskava je bla narjena/zaključena iz starni klinične psihologinje. Raziskavo so delal psihologi/psihoterapevti. Vrjetn jih je velik mel doktorate. Če so bli vpleteni psihiatri ne vem... v 40 letih je vrjetno lonček pristavil tudi kak psihiater _____________ Glede sadizma in psihiatrije ni treba delat raziskav. Greš pač brat zgodovino http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry#History Edited June 10, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
watcher Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Glede sadizma in psihiatrije ni treba delat raziskav. Čudno, bi človek rekel, da bodo najprej pred svojim pragom pometli.... Kakor slišim so denimo Hrvaške bolnišnice še zmeraj katastrofa - baje not zapirajo mlade homoseksualce, češ, da so bolni... Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) baje not zapirajo mlade homoseksualce, češ, da so bolni... Tud homoseksualci lahko zbolijo za bilokatero psihiatrično bolezn. Vrjetn pol svojo homoseksualnost zlorabjo, tko k črnci v ZDA skoz ufuravajo, da so krivi za razna kazniva dejanja samo zato, ker so črni Homoseksualca so pa strpal u bolnco zato k je homoseksualc in ne zato k je npr. psihotičn (ogroža sebe ali druge), ane. P.S.: kakšno je trenutno stanje psihiatrije na Hrvaškem, ne vem. Vem pa, da je bit homoseksualc na balkanu precej težje kot drugje v civiliziranem svetu. Ubi ubi pederaaaa, pederaaa pedera a... pa te scene, pol jih pa še policaji oz. vlada ne mara... bogi Edited June 10, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 'The worst case of scientific censorship since the Catholic Church banned the works of Galileo': Scientists call for drugs to be legalised to allow proper study of their properties David Nutt se spet jeza http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-worst-case-of-scientific-censorship-since-the-catholic-church-banned-the-works-of-galileo-scientists-call-for-drugs-to-be-legalised-to-allow-proper-study-of-their-properties-8654514.html Quote Link to comment
Rush Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Tole je na FB objavu Rick Doblin (MAPS) How Safe Is Recreational Marijuana? http://www.scientifi...ional-marijuana Nekaj citatov: the safety of recreational use is poorly understood. Researchers worry that both the short- and long-term use of the drug may harm the body and mind. Marijuana's continued popularity among teenagers raises particular concern because the drug might hinder the ongoing maturation of the adolescent brain. Making matters worse, new growing techniques for the Cannabis sativa plant—from which marijuana is prepared—have dramatically increased the drug's potency. Some experts suggest that such high-octane weed is fueling a rise in cannabis addiction. Finally, although investigators still debate how the legalization of recreational marijuana will change road safety overall, studies indicate that the drug slows reaction time and impairs distance perception behind the wheel. Despite such evidence, most new marijuana regulations, for medical or recreational use, fail to account for these potential risks. although undesirable effects—such as paranoia and irritability—are common as well. Marijuana also temporarily impairs an array of mental abilities, especially memory and attention. Dozens of studies have shown, for example, that people under the influence of marijuana perform worse on tests of working memory, which is the ability to temporarily hold and manipulate information in one's mind. Participants in these studies have greater difficulty remembering and reciting short lists of numerals and random words. Research has further revealed that cannabis blunts concentration, weakens motor coordination and interferes with the ability to quickly scan one's surroundings for obstacles. Such mild cognitive deficits may not endanger anyone if a marijuana user lazes on the couch, but it is a different story when someone takes that high on the road. In driving-simulation and closed-course studies, people on marijuana are slower to hit the brakes and worse at safely changing lanes. Investigators still debate, however, at what point these impairments translate to more traffic accidents. A 2009 study found an increased risk of accidents for levels of THC higher than five nanograms per milliliter of blood, which some evidence indicates is as impairing as a blood alcohol concentration around the legal limit of 0.08 percent. Typically one would have to take several puffs of a joint to reach such a concentration. Consequently, voters in Washington State have adopted 5 ng/mL as the upper threshold for drivers. Enforcing that limit presents a technical challenge, however. Unlike alcohol, marijuana cannot be detected with a relatively unobtrusive Breathalyzer test. Police officers would have to look for it in blood—something that often requires a warrant. “There is currently no practical method for law-enforcement officers at the scene to collect blood samples from suspected DUI cannabis drivers in a timely manner,” says Paul Armentano, deputy director of the Washington, D.C.–based National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, which advocates the legalization of marijuana. Instead of using a blood test, Armentano says that police should look for poor maneuvering and the smell of pot wafting from the vehicle. In one recent study, clinical psychologist Madeline Meier of Duke University and her colleagues examined data from 1,037 New Zealanders. They found that people who began using pot earlier in life and used it most frequently over the years experienced an average decline of eight IQ points by the time they turned 38. By comparison, those who never smoked pot had an average increase of one IQ point by the same age. A reanalysis of the New Zealand data by Ole Røgeberg of the Ragnar Frisch Center for Economic Research in Oslo, however, suggested that the IQ difference could be explained by socioeconomic factors. People who start smoking marijuana at an earlier age are often less intelligent to begin with. Even if this is true, Meier says, her study shows that the IQ drop is greatest for those who started smoking pot as teenagers rather than in adulthood, indicating a worrisome cumulative effect regardless of intelligence. This finding, she thinks, makes it all the more important to discourage the early use of marijuana among teens. Increasingly potent marijuana of recent years may be driving a sharp rise in cannabis addiction among adolescents, according to a report released last year by the American Society of Addiction Medicine. Between 1993 and 2008, the average concentration of THC in confiscated marijuana jumped from 3.4 to 8.8 percent. Meanwhile hospital and rehabilitation center admission rates for minors abusing marijuana soared by 188 percent between 1992 and 2006. In contrast, admissions for alcohol abuse for the same group over the same period declined by 64 percent. In addition to tracking levels of THC itself, some researchers have focused on the dangers of lingering contaminants in marijuana sold on the street. Dealers typically sell cannabis by weight, so some use sand or glass beads to make their products heavier. Breathing in these particles over the years may inflame and eventually scar the lungs. An analysis published last year of data on more than 5,000 Americans did not find a decline in lung function among individuals who smoked joints two or three times a month over two decades. The authors emphasize, however, that they did not assess the effect of daily use on lung health. “Somebody should do that study if marijuana is going to become legalized and prescribed” more widely, says Mark Pletcher, an epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who co-wrote the paper. In states that have legalized medical pot, current laws do not guarantee the safety or quality of cannabis products or standardize levels of THC. _____ U glavnem, nč dobrga Prijetno branje želim Pozdravljeni vsi skupaj. Par let že nisem pisal tukaj in danes iz čistega dolgcajta odprem forum in najdem tole. Ne morem verjet, da bi nas naj taki "bedni" argumenti odvrnili od uporabe marihuane in poti k njeni legalizaciji (Ne samo dekriminalizaciji). Zanimivo, da je ta raziskava pokazala upadec IQja, medtem ko je druga pokazala, da je ostal nespremenjen. (Linka se mi ne da zdaj iskat - jo imam na računalniku (zdaj nisem na svojem) in tudi dokazovat se mi nič ne da, če boste iskali jo najdete) Zdaj bi potrebovali še tretjo. Dejstvo je da ena raziskava ne pomeni čisto nič. Ko jih najdeš tam ene pet z podobnimi rezultati, rečeš nekaj pa je na tem. Itak je znanost danes zlorabljena iz vseh strani in moraš biti izredno previden kaj vzameš za svoje. Tukaj bi bilo potrebno poudarit, da če so kadili jointe (in ni nujno da so bili pomešani z tobakom) jim je IQ zbil prej monoksid, kot kanabinoidi. V moji raziskavi so uživali kanabis oralno in ni bilo sprememb IQja. Drugič, možgane je treba nenehno trenirati in če so bili nenehno zadeti jim je IQ prej padel zaradi "polenitve" možganske aktivnosti, kot pa zaradi kanabinoidov. Tretjič so tukaj še drugi faktorji in itak ko se nekaj dokazuje v long term use je znanost v pixxi, ker je preveč dejavnikov v igri. Drugo ko tvezejo o tem, kako povečuje prometne nesreče se mi zdi prav tako bedno, ker itak vse kar ti zbija koncentracijo potencialno povečuje prometne nesreče. To se mi zdi kot da berem slovenske novice. Tu je odvisno od vsakega posameznika koliko je sposoben in ne nekih statističnih vrednostih, katere celo primerjajo z alkoholom, čeprav ima ta pri svojih vrednostih povsem drug učinek kot cannabis. Del ko razlagajo o tem kako je zaradi dviga koncentracije kanabinoidov poraslo število odvisnikov in se pri tem sklicujejo na število prijavljenih na rehabilitacijskem centru in za nameček povejo, da se je število alkoholikov zmanjšalo pa lahko samo rečem - PRISTRANSKA znanost, ki je preslaba za slovenske novice. Če bi se v to poglobil grem stavit najdeš povsem druge razloge. Prvič, definirajte mi odvisnika od konoplje. Je oseba, ki ima tako šibko psiho in samokontrolo, da je vse dni zadeta. Ker se ne more rešiti svojih navad poišče pomoč pri PSIHOLOGU. Mogoče kakem psihiatru, ki mu da placebo, ne vem ker nikdar nisem imel stika s tem. Zdaj pa defniraj alkoholnega odvisnika: tip ki se trosi in ima krče, če ne spije alkohola, v fazi odvajanja serje v hlače, švica, smrdi po razpadajočih jetrih in ima namesto možganov samo listek kjer piše: "Tu so nekoč bili možgani!" A ne bi blo še bolj senzacionalno, če bi primerjali horserje zraven. Koncentracija kanabinoidov ima pol pixxe hladne vode s številom odvisnikov. Kriminalizacija ima veliko večjo mero pri tem. Da to razlagam se mi ne da, poglejte si mislim Milton Fredmana na youtube (war against drugs ali nekaj takega je clip) pa naj on razjasni. Mogoče so v tistem času dali ravno ven zakonodajo, ki zniža growerjem kazni za posedovanje ali pa proizvodnjo in dilanje, če se udeležijo tega programa rehabilitacije in so zato porasle številke. Lejte to je ena velika manipulacija in na moje znanje kozlarija. To je tipično farmacevtsko sodobno zavajanje in kot sem že rekel ena raziskava, ki jo ni opravila neodvisna skupina ljudi je vredna NULA. Tisto o primeseh, kot npr. steklo v prahu je pa res in je totalno sranje. Ampak dragi moji - zato ni kriv cannabis ampak zopet kriminalizacija. Če bi blo legalno se ti tega ne bi splačalo delat, ker bi zgubil promet in basta. Stranke k konkurenci. Sedaj pa je tako kot pač je. Dejstvo je, da sem uživalec kannabisa že 17 let. Kljub temu imam končana dva faksa, v redu službo, odlično ženo, dva zdrava otroka, 200 panjev čebel, 80 kur, 2 prašiča, 3 hektarje zemlje, ker pridelujem hrano za sebe in prijatelje, ki jim ni vseeno za sebe - namreč prehranski industriji in farmaciji ne zaupam in želim biti v vsakem pogledu samozadosten. Življenje mi uspeva odlično in sem več kot zadovoljen. Sem tudi mentor za čebelarjenje in pospeševalec ekološkega kmetijstva. Možgani mi še ne pešajo glede na to da preigram ogromno šaha in mi teh par let kar ga igram gre rating samo gor, tudi spomin je ok, odkar več ne jem sintetičnih drog. V bistvu hvaležen za vse kar se mi dogaja. Torej v mojem primeru in primerih vseh kar jih poznam: raziskava laže. Pred dvema letoma je zbolela teta od moje žene za rakom. Melanom, kasneje metastaze po vsem telesu (možgani, pljuča, limfni sistem). Kemoterapija samo poslabšala situacijo. Doktorji dvignili roke in rekli konec je. Tri mesece so ji dali. Je začela jemati smolo iz indijske konoplje (katero sam preventivno jemljem cca. 5 let) Po pol leta jemanja enormnih količin v telesu niso mogli najti niti ene rakave celice. Druga zgodba, kolega star 28 let - multipla skleroza. Na vozičku, delno berglah. Trese se da ga je hudo gledat. Ko je na smoli lahko hodi brez pripomočkov in trese se vidno manj. Tretja zgodba: maligna tvorba na obrazu: tri tedne topikalne aplikacije smole - ostal samo še rdeči flek. Izginlo. Četrta zgodba: Levkemija. Začetna faza. Levkociti po mesecu dni oralnega uživanja smole padli na normalo. Fantastika bi rekel. Peta zgodba: 39 let star. Sladkorna. Po kajenju (kar sicer ne odobravam) nivo sladkorja padel na 5,5 iz 12. Sedaj brez neke drastične diete, brez tablet le večerno kajenje to situacijo drži. Šesta zgodba: bradavice mazal en teden z smolo in so izginile Pa še več je tega. V tem trenutku osebno poznam 17 ljudi, ki so si ali pa se še trenutno zdravijo/ ozdravili za takšnimi ali drugačnimi oblikami karcinoma. Dejstvo je da je zato potrebna samo najboljši cannabis z najvišjo vsebnostjo kanabinoidov in pridobljen po pravem postopku. Zgodbe niso iz interneta ne iz raziskav ampak vam povem iz lastnih izkušenj, videne na lastne oči. Raziskav, ki pa to potrjujejo je pa trenutno nekaj več kot 200, kar nakazuje v vseh pogledih da to drži. Pravijo za vsako bolezen svoja rožca raste. Pravim za 1000 bolezni samo ena: cannabis. Zdaj pa vi ki objavljate take koruptivne lobijske raziskave, kot je gornja in za tem stojite, ter izzivate da naj mi navadni smrtniki gremo to izpodbijat na znanstveni način - STOPITE PRED TE LJUDI, KI JIM JE TO REŠILO ŽIVLJENJE IN JIM POVEJTE TO V OČI. Da podpirate prepoved, da je cannabis škodljiv in da vodi v slabšo kvaliteto življenja. Povej to materi dveh šolo obveznih otrok, katera se je pripravljala na smrt pri 43 in sedaj polna življenja, hvaležna indijski konoplji za vsak dan, ki ga ima. "Hašišarji" so tisti, ki so nevede izredno zdravi. Tisti, ki konoplje ne uživajo pa jejo npr. procesirano hrano in so še povrh vegetarijanci se pa imajo kaj bati. Ironično ampak resnično. Lej prebral sem v zadnjih letih literature še pa še in bolj ko se poglabljaš bolj ti je jasno da je svet samo ena velika laž, resnica je samo v genih in naravi, vse drugo je kozlarija. Ta raziskava zgoraj samo podpira farmacevtsko, industrijsko, energetsko, politični genocid, ki se v imenu kapitala (kateri jo je brezdvomno tudi financiral in nastavil) dogaja v tem trenutku. Se vprašate zakaj se tako ženem v tej smeri? Ko ti umre nekdo blizu za vzroki, kateri so brez težav rešljivi in ti to zveš prepozno - imaš razlog. Konoplja je rastlina za katero bi morali postaviti svetišče. Zakaj? Ker rešuje življenja in teh IZKUŠENJ mi ne izpodbije nobena kxxxxa raziskava. Se opravičujem za pravopisne napake (imam kar nekaj domače rdečke v riti). Tega verjetno tudi ne bom bral in tudi reply-e ne bom gledal. Vse kar sem hotel povedat je to: Ne me jebat s takimi!!!! Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Dejstvo je, da sem uživalec kannabisa že 17 let. Kljub temu imam končana dva faksa, v redu službo, odlično ženo, dva zdrava otroka, 200 panjev čebel, 80 kur, 2 prašiča, 3 hektarje zemlje, ker pridelujem hrano za sebe in prijatelje, ki jim ni vseeno za sebe - namreč prehranski industriji in farmaciji ne zaupam in želim biti v vsakem pogledu samozadosten. Očitno si zelo sposoben. Pohvalno. Potrudi se in drugič preberi cel topik oz. vse kar se je navezovalo na to raziskavo. Raziskave glede I.Q. mislm, da nisi v celoti prebral (vsaj glede na napisano) in si jo posledično malce narobe interpretiraš oz. se po nepotrebnem razburjaš. Ljudje se trudjo preuvrstit droge, ki imajo lahko medicinsko vrednost (LSD, MDMA, cannabis pa še kaj). Vsaj v kategorijo 2B še boljše kasneje v 3B in 4B (kjer najdemo npr. BZO) Glede cannabisa, jim ponekod celo že dolgo časa dobro uspeva: http://en.wikipedia....tus_of_cannabis http://medicalmariju...sourceID=000881 http://www.ncsl.org/...juana-laws.aspx http://en.wikipedia....abis_by_country Vprašanje je, zakaj to še ni uspelo v SLO. Glede na skoraj neštete poiskuse in projekte, ki so jih zastavl borci za marihuano. IMHO: v SLO so se projektov za preuvrstitev marihuanae (kamorkoli drugam, kot v razred 1, bi blo dosežek) loteval napačni, nesposobni ljudje. Osebno podpiram raziskave glede medicinske vrednosti marihuane in sm zato, da bi se nekoč tud pri nas uporabljala regulativno. Tko kot si sam navedel nekaj primerov medicinske vrednosti, res drži, da se kaže cannabis (predvsem CBD) kot zelo obetavno zdravilo predvsem pri rakavih obolenjih. Glede tvoje izkušnje z rakom: Vrjetno sam veš, da tumorski markerji niso 'zanesljivi'. Nekateri nimajo nobenih težav, kljub temu, da so tumorski markerji povišani... nekaj onkologov celo prakticira, da v kolikor se pacient dobro počuti, ne bodo povedal za povišanje tumorskih markerjev (čeprav je to 'moralno sporno'). Rak je bolezen, ki lahko ponovno izbruhne, kljub popolni 'ozdravitvi' LP Edited June 23, 2013 by drogfart Quote Link to comment
drogfart Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Še nekej. Medicina, kot vrjetno veste, ni povsem eksaktna veda. Vsak zdravnik ima nekoliko svoj pogled oz. pristop k svojemu delu. 'Čeudežnih' ozdarvitev, neozdravljivih bolezni je relativno veliko. Medicina še vedno ne zmore pojasnit čemu tako. Če bi šu gledat skoz zgodovino, je ogromno primerov, ko je uradna medicina 'odpisala' pacienta, do te mere, da so komatoznega odklopil iz aparatov in je le ta potem začel dihat in preživel. Še več, kljub temu, da so napovedal, da bo 'rastlina', je človek živel relativno normalno življenje. Pa se večino takih primerov ne pripisuje cannabisu Še enkrat bi rad povdaru, da je obetaven CBD (ki ni psihoaktiven). Zato rekreativno zadevanje z marihuano (kajenje, sploh kajenje na dnevni bazi), nima veze z 'medicino' in IMHO povzroča veliko več škode kot koristi. Quote Link to comment
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drogfart Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37884/title/Get-Off-the-Pot/ Get Off the Pot Researchers demonstrate the successful treatment of marijuana abuse in rats and monkeys. A drug that increases levels of a naturally occurring chemical may help marijuana users kick the habit, according to new research published this week (October 13) in Nature Neuroscience. ______________________________ "Ro 61-8048" magic pill, for your bad habit Quote Link to comment
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