cherrylejdi Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 tko k si je postlal tko bo spal! cel šmoren! citiram tale post iz bluelighta: Quote: lets jump george and give him a lethal dose of Meth in ja, članek je res odličen! Quote Link to comment
RaVeR____ Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Temu bi se reklo načrtno, premišljeno podkupovanje s strani najvišjih državnih institucij! Sj ne morš verjet no... No poba bo vsaj dobu kar je zaslužu... pa mislm da bi odgovorni v vladnih krogih tut moral mal k spovedi Quote Link to comment
posch Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 ne mors da verjames ... lp OrlyTM Quote Link to comment
minka Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 krasen clanek! Quote Link to comment
minka Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 btw, clanek sem poslala heleni kocmur. Quote Link to comment
mato Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 helena.kocmur@delo.si sm ji že 17.11.2003 poslal prijazen e-mail in zelo podrobo razložu situacijo. Ampak spet... kdo pa sm jest Hvala minka k si poslala. Tebe bojo sigurno bolj upoštevali LP Quote Link to comment
mato Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Quote: Zelo zanimivo, kako so se vsi zaceli oglasat komaj sedaj.A prej se nihce ni pritozeval.Sicer pa pravilno da so ga razkrinkali Če si dobra prebrala članek lahko 'izcimiš', da so se drugi znanstveni vedno oglašali in skušali kaj doseči. Ampak kot sm že povedu; kako se boš boril proti državi in njih skorumpiranimi znanstveniki $$$. Sledile so pa napake za napako in ne samo to... pojavljale so se vedno večje BUČE in presegli so mejo; pa je končno v letru 2003 počlo vsem ostlim znanstvenikom, ki se ukvarjajo z MDMA ipd. in so tole lutko po imenu Ricaurte degradiral - ne bo mel lih lepe penzije Zdej k je bil navajen hudih miljonov $. Pa še znanstvena srenja ga ne jemlje več resno To se je IMHO mogl zgodit. Ker le tako bo sedaj šel denar in pravica do raziskav pravim raziskovalcem v roke Quote Link to comment
RaVeR____ Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Fino bi blo samo še da bi na to temo ponovno naredili kak prispevek za Tv Tednik . "Refreshed" prispevek.... Quote Link to comment
mato Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Quote: Fino bi blo samo še da bi na to temo ponovno naredili kak prispevek za Tv Tednik . "Refreshed" prispevek Utopija Smo poslali več e-mail-ov urednikom, naj se opravičujo za BUČE, ki so jih prodajal... pa nič. Prepotentna Doc.dr. Mojca Kržan in Dr Dervenšek se ne bosta pustila degradirat. Jebeš tednik - 'rumeni tisk' - toj za naivne slovence. Objavi naj se v prilogi DELA - ZNANOST. Da jih bo mal sram naše SLO pametnjakoviče! Quote Link to comment
Classic Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Quote: Jebeš tednik - 'rumeni tisk' - toj za naivne slovence. Ja, ja, sam ti "naivni slovenci" oblikujejo javno mnenje, žal. Quote Link to comment
mato Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Debata poteka tudi na Poljub.com Je zanimivo prebirat. Smeha polna skleda Iz poljub.com: Quote: Mislim, da je ena tabletka nekako lahko zmožna tega. Sicer ne, če gre za čisti MDMA, vendar, če so prisotne nečistoče... ki pa se v poceni variantah, ki so na tržišču pogosto pojavljajo. Js pravim: NAZAJ K NARAVI! Nič sintetičnega... tabletke bomo jedli leta 2250, ko bojo prepovedali krave, ker bodo dokazali, da s svojim prdenjem prehudo onesnažujejo okolje. Barb Quote Link to comment
Jake Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 dobra debata ni kej.. blagor ubogim na duhu, kajti njih bo nebeško kraljestvo Quote Link to comment
DaBullet Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 pa kako se je teb sploh dal?!?!?! mene je neskončna glupost folka resno živčnga nardila, pa sm sam brau... ke se tak folk sploh najde oz zakva jest nobenga tazga ne poznam....? Quote Link to comment
RaVeR____ Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Glih zarad tega ker rataš živčn pa te ne marajo Sicer je pa Jake za moje pojme vse povdal Quote Link to comment
Jake Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 mah, ta teden sem bil ful bored na jobu Quote Link to comment
PaNTer Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Quote: Greš plesat. Koliko časa lahko divje plešeš ne da bi se ustavil, ker si se utrudil? Recimo 2 uri divjanja, skakanja, norenja..pa si že ves prepoten in zmatran. Telo ti pove, da je počasi dovolj in da je cajt za počivat. Greš plesat. Vzameš ecstasy. Koliko časa zdaj lahko divje plešeš ne da bi se ustavil, ker si se utrudil? Recimo 3 ure (najmanj!) divjanja, skakanja, norenja...pa si že po dveh urah prepoten in zmatran! Se pravi, da si telo ENO URO (najman) preveč obremenjeval Kje ta folk zivi Res - blagor jim, v kraljestvu bozjem Quote Link to comment
mato Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Ricaurte MDMA research controversy Vse v enem - cela zgodovina Quote Link to comment
mato Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Quote: Zanimiv članek iz leta 2001 v zvezi z zgornjim postom Legal ectasy in 5 years? Ecstasy will be available for use with psychotherapy in as little as five years according to one expert. Pa se je začelo premikat Ecstasy should be downgraded, says drugs expert Quote Link to comment
mato Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 It may be illegal but the popular “club drug” MDMA is coming back to its psychotherapeutic roots. Počelo je Quote Link to comment
mato Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Za lažje razumevanje zakaj je terapevtska doza ravno max. 125mg: doze do 125mg MDMA (1'78mg/kg za 70kg človeka) dokazano niso nevrotoksične v kliničnem okolju oz. je minimalni rizik raznih drugih zdravstvenih zapletov. ČLANEK DAUBBT razprava TUKAJ Quote Link to comment
mato Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 October 12, 2004. As a result of a FOIA request made earlier this year, MAPS now has information on National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) funding awarded to Dr. George Ricaurte and Dr. Una McCann in 2003 for the study of MDMA (Ecstasy) neurotoxicity and functional consequnces of Ecstasy use. The pair of Johns Hopkins researchers were awarded over $1.8 million dollars during 2003. This brings their total government funding to more than $16.4 million since 1989. 16'4$ 1'8$ za polomijo o nevrotoksičnosti MDMA. Tale parček vladnih znanstvenikov res ni šprau oz. vlada ni 'šparala', da bi preko trupel dokazala kako ubijalski je MDMA crazy res. VIR: http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/ Quote Link to comment
mato Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27716-2004Dec26.html 'Ecstasy' Use Studied to Ease Fear in Terminally Ill By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, December 27, 2004 This month, in a little-noted administrative decision, the FDA gave the green light to a Harvard proposal to test the benefits of the illegal street drug known as "ecstasy" in patients diagnosed with severe anxiety related to advanced cancer. Grob is leading an FDA-approved study in which terminally ill cancer patients are being given psilocybin to see whether it can help them sort through emotional and spiritual issues. He said the patients take a "modest" dose of synthetic psilocybin, equivalent to two or three illicit mushrooms. They spend the next six hours or so in a comfortable setting with a psychiatrist -- talking, thinking and sometimes listening to music with headphones. "So far they have had very impressive results in terms of amelioration of anxiety, improvement of mood, improved rapport with close family and friends and, interestingly, significant and lasting reductions in pain," Grob said of the first few patients to enroll. "These are extraordinary compounds that seem to have an uncanny ability to reliably induce spiritual or religious experiences when taken in the right conditions." ------------------------------------------------------------- Promising results have also been reported at the University of Arizona from a 10-person study of psilocybin for obsessive-compulsive disorder, which locks people into repetitive thoughts and actions. And Charleston, S.C., psychiatrist Michael Mithoefer has seen no complications in any of the five patients who have enrolled in his 20-person study of MDMA for victims of violence struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder. With the FDA's Dec. 17 approval of the Harvard MDMA protocol -- and permission in hand from ethics review boards at Harvard and the nearby Lahey Clinic, where patients will be recruited -- the only remaining hurdle is getting a special license from the Drug Enforcement Administration. A dozen subjects with less than 12 months to live will get either low or moderate doses of MDMA during two sessions a few weeks apart, along with counseling and a variety of psychological tests before and after treatment. KONČNO so dojel!!! No ja; sprva je mogu Dr. Ricaurte&co. porabit 18'4 miljonov $ davkoplačevalskega denarja, da je bruko naredu Quote Link to comment
PaNTer Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Quote: PS donated $26,616 to McLean Hospital, Harvard University, for Dr. John Halpern's MAPS-sponsored study of the use of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with anxiety associated with advanced-stage cancer. vir: MDMA Research News Quote Link to comment
mato Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 za to so rabl 50 let z war on drugs included. Itak: takle mamo. Al kako se že reče pr takih stvareh. Killer ecstasy Quote Link to comment
Liet Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Vse je to lepo, samo jz zmeraj manj vidim relevantnost med tem če se MDMA lahko uporablja v medicini in harm reductionom. Retracting Ricaurteove raziskave in zadeve vezane za to pač povejo, da MDMA na osnovi zaenkrat zbranih informacij, NE povzroča dolgotrajnih in ireverzibilnih poškodb možgan. Po drugu strani je pa še vedno treba povdarit da gre za zadevo ki niti slučajno ni benigna s psihološkega in fizičnega zornega kota. Pač party ni kontrolirano okolje za razliko od mest kjer se izvajajo te raziskave. Quote Link to comment
mato Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 True, true. Saj nihče ni govoril drugače. V Party okolju je pač največji problem v povezavi z MDMA HIPERTERMIJA. Uboga rejverje so pa strašil z nevrotoksičnostjo. Če se prav spomnem je bilo celo rečeno da ena tabletka povzroči ireverzibilne poškodbe možgan + luknje v možganih ipd. Se razumemo? Mislm pa, da je jasno vsem (tud 16 letnemu flešerju), da počvakat 5, 10, 20 ekstazijev + zravn vlečt spid, pit alko in kadit marihuano ni zdravo. Quote Link to comment
Jake Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Quote: mato said: V Party okolju je pač največji problem v povezavi z MDMA HIPERTERMIJA. Res al kaj? Sem pa mislil, da je mozganski edem več ali manj zamenjal hipertermijo. Quote Link to comment
mato Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Quote: Res al kaj? Sem pa mislil, da je mozganski edem več ali manj zamenjal hipertermijo. Največ resnih zdravstvenih zapletov je zaradi hipertermije. Iz ene obsežne ZDA študije The most common categories of diagnosis are: hyperthermia-related syndromes (24.6% of cases), psychiatric complications (22.1% of cases), hepatotoxicity (16.1% of cases), and hyponatremia (9.5% of cases). Več si lahko prebereš TUKAJ Mogoče je zaradi možganskega edema največ smrtnih primerov; pri katerem pa hipertermija posredno še kako igra pomembno/veliko vlogo. Quote Link to comment
shiva_das Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 In vi si čudite da je MDMA na prvi listi prepovedanih drog?? - Kaj pa psilocibinske gobe? Njih lahko poješ tudi 100 krat več kot je aktivna doza, pa ne boš umrl. V bistvu še nikoli ni nihče umrl od njih. Povzročajo pa niti eno samo dolgoročno napako na telesu. Pa so tudi na listi prepovedanih drog prvega razreda. Alkohol od katerega pa lahko umreš in to hitro (že pri okoli 5-10 kratni aktivni dozi) in ki povzroča hudo odvisnost (da ne omenjam ostalih težav - okvarja jeter, ledvic, možganov,...) pa ni na nobeni listi. Ne samo to - celo reklamiran je na vsakem koraku in pijejo ga tudi otroci od 12tega leta dalje. Jaz sem se že zdavnaj nehal spraševati o logičnosti katerekoli zakonodaje. Quote Link to comment
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